Friction II

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Friction II

Post by Nayus » Sun Sep 16, 2018 11:50 pm

Friction II

Difficulty: Undergrad

Progress: Optional challenge

Description: This substrate is even drier, and the cell limits are higher. Can you still make it?

Win Conditions: 600 or more user cells with 4 or less inserted

Hint: Making a slightly easier version of this substrate and using evolution can help you solve this. Let it run for a night


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Re: Friction II

Post by Pixlo8 » Thu May 02, 2019 4:14 pm

I wanted to post something about this challenge since I'm not sure if I beat it the intended way. It seems like the idea is to simply optimize the guy from the first friction till it's able to hit 600. However, there is a much easier way to get around this. If you just make something that can survive relatively well, and make it so half of it's babies are just lipocytes that do nothing but sit there, you can inflate the cell count. This has been a trick for me on a couple others that required incredible cell counts like scarce conditions 3, and I just wanted to make sure I'm not being too cheeky :). I'd love to see an organism able to beat these the normal way, it just seemed impossible to make by hand.
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Re: Friction II

Post by Alast » Thu May 02, 2019 5:57 pm

It's definitely possible to build a solution from scratch. But lipo-dropping is also viable as a strategy :-)
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Re: Friction II

Post by H4yw1r3 » Fri May 03, 2019 7:27 am

I can confirm Alast's words; it is possible to finish the challenge with Snap Values ticked on.

I only used the essentials to build my solution (Nitrocyte for Nitrate Production to enable continous splitting (or any other cell type for egg-laying), Phagocyte for cell nutrition, Myocyte for locomotion and Neurocyte for Signal Fluctuations). Its population can sit at round 500-550 cells. The cell count goes up to 600+ cells if the species settled in the substrate more evenly.

Personally, I wouldn't see Lipo-Dropping as a 'cheaty' way of doing challenges. I do see it though as a desperation card. :D
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Re: Friction II

Post by Pixlo8 » Tue May 07, 2019 11:10 pm

H4yw1r3 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 7:27 am
I only used the essentials to build my solution (Nitrocyte for Nitrate Production to enable continous splitting, Phagocyte for cell nutrition, Myocyte for locomotion and Neurocyte for Signal Fluctuations). Its population can sit at round 500-550 cells. The cell count goes up to 600+ cells if the species settled in the substrate more evenly
Interesting, I didn't think the substrate didn't have nitrates so I didn't go for the nitrocyte. My actual implementation of the lipocytes was that the babies split into a phagocyte and a lipocyte, so if they are lucky enough to land on food they'll mature, and if not they'll lay dormant till they die or some food spawns. This actually hits the cell limit of the stage (800) before ot even fills the whole substrate entirely, so it does work really well. Question though, does using nitrocytes even when there is nitrogen on the dish improve the cell's ability to split?

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Re: Friction II

Post by Grimmrog » Wed May 08, 2019 8:26 am

H4yw1r3 wrote:
Fri May 03, 2019 7:27 am
I can confirm Alast's words; it is possible to finish the challenge with Snap Values ticked on.

I only used the essentials to build my solution (Nitrocyte for Nitrate Production to enable continous splitting, Phagocyte for cell nutrition, Myocyte for locomotion and Neurocyte for Signal Fluctuations). Its population can sit at round 500-550 cells. The cell count goes up to 600+ cells if the species settled in the substrate more evenly.

Personally, I wouldn't see Lipo-Dropping as a 'cheaty' way of doing challenges. I do see it though as a desperation card. :D
Are you sure you talk about the right challange?

Friction II does have nitrates, so a nitrocyte isn't needed.
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Re: Friction II

Post by H4yw1r3 » Wed May 08, 2019 11:27 am

Oh sorry! My bad! I assumed the substrate didn't have nitrates at first when I firstly encountered the challenge. Either way, you'll need a cell to carry and resist the labor of the eggs for the organism.

Sure, a Neurocyte can be used for that role but it needs a specific connection count for the repetition of signals to work. Laying eggs from time to time means it'll alter the connection count of Neurocyte by +-1 connection. I didn't use Phagocyte nor Myocyte for the purpose of egg-laying since it'll disturb their path in such ways.
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