Beginners Challenges

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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by bwisialo » Sun May 29, 2016 9:20 pm

I was already thinking that Lipocyte eggs are one of the most important principles that needs a good illustration -- something more illustrative than Seed, but perhaps a bit easier than Overpopulate, just to get the principle, and possibly more multi-cellular. But those aren't easy factors to combine in a Lipocyte use challenge.

Yeah, I maxed out the substrate, and there at least three ways you can use Lipocytes here -- I'm not sure if third is intended ;)
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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by Alast » Mon May 30, 2016 6:03 am

I agree that it would be nice to have something easier than this. But even though the Liposeed is a very important concept it's also an advanced one difficult to address in an easy way. At least I couldn't come up with an easier idea yet because whenever you enable Lipocytes as seeds you also enable Lipodumping.

So yeah, I'd prefer a challenge in the medium difficulty range for this. If you have an idea, please go for it :-)

Also, can you PM me the three ways you're using? I think my 2 are clear now ;-)
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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by bwisialo » Mon May 30, 2016 7:13 am

Oh, I just meant increasing initial population, eggs, and dumping. You can max out Overpopulate having 900+ Lipocytes just sitting on the plate. ;)

It's true that Lipocyte eggs aren't something you use until more advanced challenges. But the principle is simple if you see it, whereas it can remain elusive for a very long time if you're searching for it and trying to figure it out on your own.

I haven't come up with an easy or moderate challenge though. It could simply be a Photocyte near a Lipocyte that needs more mass to split, then turns into a multi-cellular organism with Lipocyte eggs. But that’s just seeing the principle rather than using it -- which might be fine. Because it's something that, ideally, people should know about, one way or another, before going into challenges where they're crucial or necessary.
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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by Alast » Mon May 30, 2016 8:53 am

Hehe, the start boost wasn't even on my radar for this as that only makes a difference when you're under time constraints. Like me trying to solve Scarce III under 50h ;) My Overpopulate solution dumps Lipos that then also split once :D

I think that it's a better learning experience using Liposeed rather than just seeing it. Only then you really see the impact it has.
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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by bwisialo » Mon May 30, 2016 5:41 pm

I also dumped a splitting Lipocyte. ;) A higher number of seed cells can help some species get higher peaks (or get closer to whatever the objective is), not just peak faster. When I first read the challenge I thought you might be referring to a start boost rather than dumping, but yeah, I don't see that helping here.

You're right about using vs seeing and realizing the impact. With Overpopulate, I was mostly working with dumping and figuring how to do right. It would be nice to have something more egg-focused, even if the door to dumping is somewhat open. Still thinking... ;)
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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by Alast » Mon May 30, 2016 9:03 pm

Name: Kickstart

Description: In this challenge time is of the essence. Use Lipocytes for quick development of your species.

Substrate: https://www.dropbox.com/s/f0ecl5i5k0p2s ... trate?dl=0

Objective (easy): Get 250 cells within 20h

Max Cells inserted: 1

Cell Type allowed: Lipocytes, Photocytes
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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by bwisialo » Tue May 31, 2016 2:06 am

I suppose it could be a challenge with a high cell count Objective and a rule that only x number (perhaps 0) of the cells on the plate can be Lipocytes. If any of the existing challenges had a counter by cell type, that wouldn't seem so odd as it might at first.
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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by Alast » Tue May 31, 2016 6:00 am

I was thinking about counting the Phagocytes or Flagellocytes to get an indicator for the number of swimmers :-) But as we don't have that for user created challenges I wouldn't want to put that on the user ;-)
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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by bwisialo » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:41 am

This might work. Test it out... after the other one ;)

Name: Macrophages VI -- Scarcity

Description: The substrate is similar to Scarce Conditions, but it has just enough nutrients for a non-smart swimmer to live on. Can you figure out how to convert so little food into enough reproductive mass / swimmers to meet the cell count Objective?

Substrate:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/z7l60nybx9v8y ... trate?dl=0

Objective (Difficult): Reach 350 cells

Max Cells inserted: 1

Cell Type allowed: Phagocytes, Flagellocytes, Lipocytes
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Re: Beginners Challenges

Post by Alast » Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:41 pm

Not a bad one. But again Lipodropping is very strong here. Got me over 600 together with Liposeeds.

Ok, but without Liposeeds it seems very hard to not possiboe. I managed 300 without but that looked like a very fortunate run.
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