User-Created Challenge: Precarious Conditions II

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User-Created Challenge: Precarious Conditions II

Post by bwisialo » Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:15 pm

This challenge is based on an idea posted by CandyYAHFT :) . The idea is to create a species that reaches a high cell count and then dies off completely.

Like Precarious Conditions,this substrate has a rim of light at the top. There are no nitrates. Gravity pulls you down and you have to float to the top. Cells die when they touch the edge of the petri dish.

This substrate has a bit larger light range and a bit more gravity than Precarious Conditions.

Please don't post links to your solutions, but feel free to post hints as well as general descriptions and images of your solutions.

To attempt the challenge, you need to complete "19: Slippery Slope" in Cell Lab, which gives you access to Nitrocytes.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jdrt1htsb5i96 ... trate?dl=0
Objective (Very Difficult): Can you create a species that reaches 300 cells and then dies off completely?

Cell types permitted: All

Number of inserted cells allowed: 10

Hints: If you've solved Precarious Conditions, here's one strategy. Introduce a "sleeper cell" that will appear late in the reproduction cycle of your species, or if your species uses only a few modes, you can use additional modes to duplicate the development. The "sleeper cell" would initiate a series of cell splits that ends with a Devorocyte. One way to allow early growth and delay the destruction is to have one of the children of the Devorocyte be the "sleeper cell" or the initial cell of your species.
Other solutions are always possible. :)
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Re: User-Created Challenge: Burst of Life

Post by Alast » Thu Nov 05, 2015 5:44 pm

Lol, very simple actually. Made it over 600, too. With just 1 cell mode ;)

/edit: with the allowed 10 initial cells I can max out at 800 before extinction. Actually still made it with 4. 3 cells barely fail to max out.
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Re: User-Created Challenge: Burst of Life

Post by bwisialo » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:23 pm

Oh my, that's not good at all :(
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Re: User-Created Challenge: Burst of Life

Post by Alast » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:25 pm

Well, sometimes the simplest solutions are the least obvious yet the most effective ones.
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Re: User-Created Challenge: Burst of Life

Post by bwisialo » Thu Nov 05, 2015 6:27 pm

Yep. Definitely a reason why you need to have other folks try out challenges. :) Thanks for posting.

My solution is fairly simple, but not nearly that simple. I'll see if I can tweak the challenge.
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Re: User-Created Challenge: Precarious Conditions II

Post by bwisialo » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:30 am

In trying to make this sort of challenge (high cell count, then die) neither easy nor impossible, I found that it required conditions that are... well, precarious. So, I used the Precarious Conditions substrate to develop this challenge.

This substrate has a bit more light range and a bit more gravity than Precarious Conditions. The rationale: If you have a solution to Precarious Conditions, the extra light range will allow your species to grow despite the increased gravity -- they offset one another. And, you can exploit both the increased light and increased gravity to engineer the death of your species.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cizgpuxe9bas4 ... trate?dl=0

Make sure to "Save sample in Freezer" after downloading it.

Objective: Can you create a species that reaches 300 cells and then dies off completely?

Difficulty: Very Difficult (Depending on your solution to Precarious Conditions, it may be easy or may be difficult to modify your species to die off. In any case, it should -- hopefully -- take a little work.)

Cell types permitted: All

Number of inserted cells allowed: 10
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Re: User-Created Challenge: Precarious Conditions II

Post by Alast » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:15 am

Ok, this one is more challenging :)
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Re: User-Created Challenge: Precarious Conditions II

Post by Alast » Mon Nov 09, 2015 5:05 pm

Got the 300 down. The dying off part not really ;-)
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Re: User-Created Challenge: Precarious Conditions II

Post by bwisialo » Mon Nov 09, 2015 7:24 pm

Alast wrote:Got the 300 down. The dying off part not really ;-)
Didn't your solution to Precarious Conditions -- or a simple modification of it -- reach 300 pretty easily?
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Re: User-Created Challenge: Precarious Conditions II

Post by Alast » Mon Nov 09, 2015 8:27 pm

Yes, but there were nutrients.

Oh wait, I guess I'm confusing things...
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